Custom Zoid (W.I.P)

[Amaya]

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Zoid: Project 029 Terror Assault aka Berserk GenoHydra KA
Status: Normal (Not getting this until I'm at the rank it is)
Rank: S
Description: This zoid has the frame of a Berserk Fuhrer. It has the arms and the charged particle canon, but it has been modified. The smaller arms have been replaced by the GenoBreaker's X-Breakers and the shielded armor around them. The pincer like appendages of the Berserk Fuhrer are now energy blades attached to a faster spinning base. This means it has a higher offensive capability and can spin faster. Two plasma cannons have been mounted on its back. The odd thing is that the weapon is fired from the pincer like attachments on this particular zoid. The special base allows for the plasma cannons to be fired. This means better aim and range. Its armor has been upgraded using a lighter genohydra armor. So it has received a small to medium defense boost and its speed hasn't been decreased as greatly as it could have. Its defense capabilities have increased as well thanks to the Genobreaker's shield being put into the design. Its speed has been decreased, but not by much. The new plasma canon have decreased the possible speed boost. The charged particle canon has been left unchanged. It can be fired from the pincer like appendages, but they can move while firing it giving it a more deadly attack.

The major weaknesses are that the charged particle canon has to wait longer to cool down then before. It has faster reaction time and higher defense, but it can't evade as quickly as the faster zoids that compose it. It can mostly counter.

[DogTrot]

This zoid sounds quite powerful, having all the offensive powers of the Geno Breaker and Berserk Fury combined, in addition to adding additional cannons on the back. Plus, it has extra armor. With all that extra weight, it still manages to be faster than the base model zoid. Honestly, a zoid like that would be more powerful than even S rank, so I'd put it at S+. I recommend making a few weaknesses/changes, or at least making it slow, since it has so much equipment on it. Otherwise, it sounds awesome.

EDIT: With the changes, all you really did was put in a slight speed decrease. The zoid would still be able to annihilate anything with all those guns, close or long range, and the armor makes it pretty indestructable. I'd still put it at S+ for now. If you only give it a slight armor boost, that would land it smack in S.

[Amaya]

Edited again

[DogTrot]

Okay, now this looks S rank.

[Amaya]

Changes:
Zoid: Project 029 Terror Assault aka Berserk GenoHydra KA
Status: Normal (Not getting this until I'm at the rank it is)
Rank: S
Description: This zoid has the frame of a Berserk Fuhrer. It has the arms and the charged particle canon, but it has been modified. The smaller arms have been replaced by the GenoBreaker's X-Breakers and the shielded armor around them. The pincer like appendages of the Berserk Fuhrer are now energy blades attached to a faster spinning base. This means it has a higher offensive capability and can spin faster. Two plasma cannons have been mounted on its back. The odd thing is that the weapon is fired from the pincer like attachments on this particular zoid. The special base allows for the plasma cannons to be fired. This means better aim and range. Its armor has been upgraded using a lighter genohydra armor. So it has received a small to medium defense boost and its speed hasn't been decreased as greatly as it could have. Its defense capabilities have increased as well thanks to the Genobreaker's shield being put into the design. Its speed has been decreased, but not by much. The new plasma canon have decreased the possible speed boost. The charged particle canon has been left unchanged. It can be fired from the pincer like appendages, but they can move while firing it giving it a more deadly attack.

The major weaknesses are that the charged particle canon has to wait longer to cool down then before. It has faster reaction time and higher defense, but it can't evade as quickly as the faster zoids that compose it. It can mostly counter. It can only use the Berserk Fuhrer's weapon, and the following others X-Breakers, AZ 140mm Shock Gun, 80mm Beam Gun, Two plasma cannons

S+ Rank:

The zoid is basically the same except it has gained the ability to use the weaponry of the zoids that comprise it. The thing about this addition is that it drastically decreases speed, but the boosters have been upgraded to the point that the Zoid has roughly the same speed as before. The Armor remains the same. (organiod system implemented if allowed) The Plasma Cannons have been increased in the amount of damage they can inflict.

s++:
The boosters and the defense have been upgraded. It is faster then before and harder to hurt.

[DogTrot]

Now I see what you were saying, using all of the combined weapons.

That thing has the firepower of a dibison at long range, yet can slaughter at close and medium ranges. It's also fast, and heavily armored, and agile. I would bump each of the ranks you currently have listed up one from what you have. S+, S++, and S+++

I can't tell if I'm being consistant or not since you keep editing and changing, and I can't remember the old versions. What I'm worried the most about is that there is no place this zoid is weak. Long range it has more than a few powerful guns, close range it has whirling blades, breaker claws, the tail, and shield arms. It has decent speed, yet good armor. I can't see a fault in it. Slower charge time for the particle cannon just means it takes longer to own than it wants to. It's not an advantage for the opponent, it's a minor annoyance for the pilot. It can't evade as well as some zoids, but it has armor.

Also, don't think about an organoid quite yet, they're going to be added later.

Personally, I want to get more opinions on this. Ask Max or Jonny to post here if you see them.

[Amaya]

I can weaken it down if need be. I just need a few ideas on how to do that and how to keep my original idea for this zoid and yet make it ungodlike.

[xX Max Xx]

Indeed I, too, find this Zoid to be far more powerful than an S-Rank. As shown by the Guardian Force anime, the Geno Breaker's charged particle cannon is able to stand against as well as over power the Dibison's Megalo Max. The Megalo Max is basically it firing all of its lasers at once, forming a single beam around the size of a Charged Particle Cannon. The Berserk Fuhrer's supposed to be superior to its predecessor, the Geno Breaker. Giving it the Breaker's Claws on its arm makes it basically like its Strum Fury form. So that would put it at S-Rank. The Breaker's Shield would make it S+, for that would be adding on to its own Shield. The Buster Claws were already strong, but making them Energy blades would put it at S++, and the plasma cannon adding to its long range capablities would put it in S+++. Combining that with Geno Hydra armor would push it up to S++++, considering it's also got a minor speed decrease. That's not necessarily a major weakness, as the Fuhrer can reach a speed of 340 km/h, which is actually faster than the Zero Jaeger. Lowering its speed minorly would probably leave it almost, if not as fast as the Lightning Saix.

That's my input. @__@

[Amaya]

Great...I can deal with that end result, I'll get there eventually. The only things I want to really keep are the close range meele weapons and energy blade buster Claws. So if I used that for the S rank zoid and didn't increase the armor until later on could it be S rank? After S rank I'll gradually add the other stuff.

[xX Max Xx]

No, it'd still go beyond S. Since the Strum Fury form of the Berserk Fuhrer is S-Rank, adding the Geno Breaker's claws to its arms would be S, S+ now that I see the Strum Fury doesn't have the Buster Claws. Then the energy blade Buster Claws would put it in S++. @__@

[Amaya]

Great...If I just have the buster claws and the X-Breakers for S rank what would that put it as rank wise? If I can get those two things the rest I can wait for and will probably cut some stuff seeing as how it would be to powerful. Probably weaker plasma cannons and not that stronger armor. Probably up speed though.

What do you suggest doing? I don't want it to be to strong, but I want it to be unique and a powerful zoid.

[xX Max Xx]

I said that now that I see the Strum Fury is S-Rank, has claws like the Geno Breaker's but doesn't have the Buster Claws, your custom Fuhrer would be boosted to S+ Rank, instead of just S. I suppose even the maker of the Berserk Fuhrer saw that giving it close combat capabilities with claws like the Geno Breaker would be too powerful for a CAS unit if it kept its Buster Claws. @__@

[Amaya]

I can deal with that being S+. So at S rank what could I add to it? I'll ad the X-breakers S+ rank and get the energy blade buster claws at rank S if that's possible. And as the rank inreases I'll add the other stuff, but I'll make sure it doesn't make it to strong.

I want it to excel at speed and close range. If I had only one of the other zoid's guns and kept the cannons on the Buster claws could I remove the decrease on the particle cannon's charging speed? So instead of getting any other weapons I could decrease the amount of time needed to charge the particle cannon and increase speed.

If I can increase its speed, armor, get the X-breakers, energy blade buster claws, and decrease the time for the particle canon I would have no need for all that long range weaponry.

[DogTrot]

Don't forget, the Charged Particle Cannon has to be bought extra. In addition to the price, it increases whatever your zoid's rank is up by one automatically.

If you want it to be feasable, get rid of all long-range weapons. You're basically improving on existing close range and adding the entire power of another S-rank's close range onto that. That alone would make it quite powerful. To have guns in addition to the equivalent of 10 blades would just push it way over. I'd say, get rid of them and focus on combat entirely until later.

You may want to hold off on this for a while, or wait until we get Fuzors figured out. You could have it be a Fuzor of a Fury and a Breaker model.

[Amaya]

I'll do that. I'll just upgrade the buster claws to energy blades and get the charged particle cannon added when it gets to S rank. Since the normal Berserk Fuhrer comes with a charged particle cannon I would only have to activate it.