Need a little more moderation

[Dr. Gerald Fitzgerald]

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My opponent went back and edited his post after I had posted a response, due to him forgetting something important in character about previous damage he had taken.(his back legs had been earlier disabled, and he tried to... kick a missile out of the air with them) (which he also professed to surviving generally unharmed and immediately rolling into a nearly physically impossible counterattack due to the fact that missiles actually destabilize your flight path when they hit, and are not, contrary to his previous assertions, giant bumpers you can easily control and use to your advantage)

Personally, i interpret the forgetting the broken legs as a piloting error, and going back to change his characters actions after i had posted a response is something i see as god-modeing.

[RJ]

1. The moderation rules say you need to consult the other player BEFORE posting a moderation thread

2.It was late and I forgot some of the damage I had sustained, you reminded me in the morning with your "response" (which was kinda short and didn't change anything):

(response): Dr Fitzgerald was slightly amused as he watched his opponent attempt to use its BROKEN AND NONRESPONSIVE LEGS(about 5 posts ago >_>) to kick away the missile that was directly on target.

Now within feet of its targets backside and booster, and with no more possible ways to dodge it, the missile was all but guaranteed to hit and destroy his opponent. (end)

Now, I could have just done the move I changed my existing post to in a new post after that,
but I thought that that would be giving myself a free post because of my mistakes which I didn't see as fair, also I thought the size of his post indicated that he WANTED me to edit my post then he would edit his and that he just did that to let me know my error.

So heres how I saw it: Wether I edited it or did another post It would still end up with me using the move I edited my post to do (which is NOT the move that Doc described in his post) and avoiding that missile. But if I did it in another post we would both get an extra post we didn't deserve. So ether way the outcome is the same but I would have felt guiltier if I had done a new post.

also, what was the point of nagging me for something I COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYWAY? It's like your trying to get me in trouble.

(Buy the way, here is my edited post that details that move I was taalking about that I veiw as completely legit):
"This guy just never gives up does he?" RJ wasn't blind, he had noticed two missiles on the pteras wings and had made an emergency plan if the Doc tried to use it. It was incredibly risky though, even by RJ's standards. As he missile came in behind him he jettisoned his unresponsive left leg, and at the same time activate his jet booster. His left leg was hit by the missile and the resulting explosion provided a speed boost (he missile was behind him this time). He then used that boost to make a right u-turn. Putting him directly in front of the Pteras, he charged forward, continuously firing from his gun at his weak-armored opponent. His frontal armor was sill fairly intact, so he could take a bit of punishment from the vulcan guns. If he launched his other missile, RJ would just dodge the incoming strike then as it turned around, and jettison the other leg for another speed boost. All the while RJ was spraying his gun right at the pteras, he knew that most of the shots should hit because they were fairly close at this point. And as RJ flew headlong towards him that distance was shrinking."YAHHOOOOOOOOO" RJ said as he fired his gun at the pteras.

[DogTrot]

Hmm, as it seems, it looks like you guys haven't talked about it yet. I've read this, but it's 2:00 AM, and my brain isn't functioning properly. I'll check back in tomorrow when I get on and read it again, post some stuff up. If you talk and want to add to the discussion, go ahead.

[RJ]

We talked...or well argued for a good while so I don't think there is anymore to add on my part at least.

[Dr. Gerald Fitzgerald]

Yea, it basically comes down to me thinking his actions are unreasonable for a zoid with low maneuverability, and that he made an error that IMO should have cost him the fight, and he doesn't think that, so we'll wait till you give us your interpretation

[RJ]

1. I think its kinda childish to complain about actions that couldn't have happened anyway, and if I could have done it i would have been willing to change it if you had engaged in a polite, nice PM discussion outlining why it was not possible

also, as a response to an argument the Doc gave in chatango that "last time you did something impossible you refused to change it in PM's so I just skipped that step this time." I have to say that in you're original post outlining that it was impossible for that issue you said at the end that you would still be OK with replying to it as is, and that you were just letting me know, so I sent you a PM that said to reply to it because you had said that you would

2.I would have used the new move in my next post anyway, so that would've happened one way or another

The real issue was if I should have edited my post so that he could edit his post so that we didn't each get a post we don't deserve

[Dr. Gerald Fitzgerald]

Actually, my argument here is that the 'i tried to do something that my character couldnt (due to broken legs)' is a piloting error that was RPed out, with RJ's character thinking his legs were still working until he tried(and failed) to use them for that crazy maneuver

I'm not arguing about the fact that you tried to do something impossible, i'm arguing that you tried to do something impossible in character, and are now trying to avoid the negative repercussions (missile hitting target) of a in character error in judgment by editing it out so that it never happened. Basically: you character tried to do a last second move to deflect a missile, and went 'oops, my legs arent working!' just as he tried to do it, so the missile was right on top of him and should have hit since his last second maneuver failed due to you not remembering your zoid was broken.

Thats what i'm arguing for here, basically

[RJ]

And I'm saying that in your (extremely short) reply you said that the missiles were still a few feet away, that would have been all I needed to jettison the leg and activate the booster and get away mostly undamaged (though one leg short)

and if you weren't arguing that, why did you mention maneuverability?

[Dr. Gerald Fitzgerald]

The missles were only a 'few feet away' because I'm not allowed to make them hit you. Obviously i was trying to give you a chance to gracefully loose after the piloting mistake >_>.

Besides, zoids dont have a 'eject you legs now!!!' button built in and easily acessable. It would take more time to find/use it than it takes for a missile going hundreds of miles per hour to travel 2 feet

[RJ]

Not for someone who spent years building their zoid and knows it like the back of their hand. And actually a few is usually 3 or more.

By the way i still think we should both just give it a rest and call it a draw.

[DogTrot]

Alright, alright, with a fresh head on my shoulders, this matter is really cut and dry to me.

1.) RJ, you cannot edit and change actions after your opponent has already made his next post. It's just not allowed. HOWEVER:

2.) Gerald. That post you made wasn't RP, it was obviously something OOCly meant to tell RJ something about his own. Especially since it was 2 sentences long. Even if you make the claim that it wasn't, it was way too short to be considered an RPing post. Had you actually posted, you would have got him, but I'm not counting that as you having posted yet. You're going to have to edit.

3.) You too though, RJ. You can't jettison a leg. There's no button for that. Irvine was caught by the leg once in Chaotic Century, had there been a 'jettison your leg' button, he would have used that instead of getting trashed.

So you both need to edit. Honestly, I could call this either way. RJ's edit was allowed, but in that he still did something he couldn't accomplish IC, jettisoning the leg. I'm going to call it a hit and not allow RJ to try and dodge for a 3rd time. It wouldn't be fair to give you 3 tries to dodge one attack, doing different things each time until eventually one thing works. I'd just call the fight for Gerald, but his post was invalid too. So RJ needs to edit and take the hit, then Gerald edits and continues the fight, if there's any left.

EDIT: RPing is meant to be fun, a collaborative effort between the two people involved, not fighting to see who's 'stronger' than the other. Anybody can just make the claim they're better when it comes to a text-based RP with no stat system like ours. Neither of you two seem to get that with each other though. I recommend never RPing together again for a long while.

[Dr. Gerald Fitzgerald]

OK, i understand.

For future reference, I would like to know how i'm supposed to go about it if my opponent forgets something like this again? I get that RP posts are meant to be longer than that, so that was defiantly my bad there, but does that just mean next time i have to make the 'you actually cant do that, here is where the attack keeps going' post a normal 5 sentence thing? Just looking for a little clarification there.

Anyway, sorry for the big fuss about it. I suppose i was frustrated with my opponents interpretation of his capabilities, and probably made too big a deal out of this last one. Thanks for taking the time to babysit this little fight here, i'll try not to get in your hair again.

[DogTrot]

If you want to let him edit, then you can PM him or talk in the CBox.

If you don't, just post like normal as if he didn't do his impossible action, and note that OOCly at the beginning of your post.

And I was cranky when I wrote that, no worries